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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://dc.metblogs.com/2008/06/14/detained-by-montgomery-county-police-for-buying-sugar/comment-page-1/#comment-14652</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Uh, Walmart is not the government. They can ask to let you do whatever searches they want.&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, and I can ask you to give me $20. We can both say no.

The problem is when the asker goes beyond asking. Like unlawfully detaining someone, or forcing them to have over that sawbuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Uh, Walmart is not the government. They can ask to let you do whatever searches they want.</i></p>
<p>Yep, and I can ask you to give me $20. We can both say no.</p>
<p>The problem is when the asker goes beyond asking. Like unlawfully detaining someone, or forcing them to have over that sawbuck.</p>
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		<title>By: muddygeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>muddygeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a lovely argument but businesses cannot restrict legal rights.  On your grounds, I can search you without reason because I am not the government.  Courts have repeatedly extended legal rights beyond what the Constitution and Bill of Rights have originally extended.  Take for example, the phrase &quot;Congress shall not...&quot;  When originally Congress could not legislate laws contrary to that but those rights could have been denied by others, the Courts in turn have stated the rights extend to all US citizens regardless of who is trying to denying them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a lovely argument but businesses cannot restrict legal rights.  On your grounds, I can search you without reason because I am not the government.  Courts have repeatedly extended legal rights beyond what the Constitution and Bill of Rights have originally extended.  Take for example, the phrase &quot;Congress shall not&#8230;&quot;  When originally Congress could not legislate laws contrary to that but those rights could have been denied by others, the Courts in turn have stated the rights extend to all US citizens regardless of who is trying to denying them.</p>
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		<title>By: RumorsDaily</title>
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		<dc:creator>RumorsDaily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Walmart is not the government.  They can ask to let you do whatever searches they want.  This is not a Constitutional issue at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Walmart is not the government.  They can ask to let you do whatever searches they want.  This is not a Constitutional issue at all.</p>
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		<title>By: muddygeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>muddygeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments to this article disturbed me enough to actually sign up on an account on a site I&#039;ll probably never visit again.

The real issue here is not about theft.  Nor is it about convenience.  This is a constitutional matter.  United States citizens are guaranteed the freedom from warrantless search.  

Let me put this into perspective.  Stores checking every receipt is no different than police going door to door, searching each home without probable cause for any possible illegal activity.  Yes, I&#039;m sure the police would in turn find some illegal possessions.  Sure, the could find drugs or weapons, perhaps even find terrorists.  Now picture that being your home.  You are sitting down eating dinner, the evening news talking about the lovely weather.  Suddenly, the police demand entrance into your home to search it.  They don&#039;t know whether or not you have anything unlawful.  They just know that some people do have such possessions.  If you say no, they knock down the door and search anyway.  They would look through all the personal belongings.  They would dump out doors, rip out walls if needed.  Do you think that is really right and lawful?  Even Constitutional?  

Now picture that with a Wal-Mart employee searching your home, checking your receipts, verifying all your furnishings and clothing, housewares and tools, even electronics came from Wal-Mart.  You wouldn&#039;t have that now would you?

I don&#039;t care if you like Wal-Mart, Target, or whomever.  I don&#039;t care if you think you really save yourself tons of money there.  Wal-Mart is one of the most efficient companies on this planet.  My position is not against Wal-Mart, it is against unlawful search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments to this article disturbed me enough to actually sign up on an account on a site I&#8217;ll probably never visit again.</p>
<p>The real issue here is not about theft.  Nor is it about convenience.  This is a constitutional matter.  United States citizens are guaranteed the freedom from warrantless search.  </p>
<p>Let me put this into perspective.  Stores checking every receipt is no different than police going door to door, searching each home without probable cause for any possible illegal activity.  Yes, I&#8217;m sure the police would in turn find some illegal possessions.  Sure, the could find drugs or weapons, perhaps even find terrorists.  Now picture that being your home.  You are sitting down eating dinner, the evening news talking about the lovely weather.  Suddenly, the police demand entrance into your home to search it.  They don&#8217;t know whether or not you have anything unlawful.  They just know that some people do have such possessions.  If you say no, they knock down the door and search anyway.  They would look through all the personal belongings.  They would dump out doors, rip out walls if needed.  Do you think that is really right and lawful?  Even Constitutional?  </p>
<p>Now picture that with a Wal-Mart employee searching your home, checking your receipts, verifying all your furnishings and clothing, housewares and tools, even electronics came from Wal-Mart.  You wouldn&#8217;t have that now would you?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if you like Wal-Mart, Target, or whomever.  I don&#8217;t care if you think you really save yourself tons of money there.  Wal-Mart is one of the most efficient companies on this planet.  My position is not against Wal-Mart, it is against unlawful search.</p>
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		<title>By: matertua</title>
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		<dc:creator>matertua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the solution - don&#039;t shop at Walmart.  It&#039;s simple.  Don&#039;t give them your money otherwise you don&#039;t have much of right to complain.  They drive small stores out of business and destroy local economies.  They hire illegal aliens.  They do their best to never pay benefits.  They buy plastic crap from China.  Use your money to shop at your neighbors&#039; stores and keep your dollars in your town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the solution &#8211; don&#8217;t shop at Walmart.  It&#8217;s simple.  Don&#8217;t give them your money otherwise you don&#8217;t have much of right to complain.  They drive small stores out of business and destroy local economies.  They hire illegal aliens.  They do their best to never pay benefits.  They buy plastic crap from China.  Use your money to shop at your neighbors&#8217; stores and keep your dollars in your town.</p>
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		<title>By: Officer slams teen’s face into a wall &#171; noworldsystem.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Officer slams teen’s face into a wall &#171; noworldsystem.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Officer slams teen’s face into a wal &#171; noworldsystem.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Officer slams teen’s face into a wal &#171; noworldsystem.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dailycaveat</title>
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		<dc:creator>dailycaveat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has been reading too much Consumerist.  Are we really supposed to sympathize with you?  Because of your pridefulness you wasted a lot of time for a lot of people, all of whom were just doing their jobs.  What part of not showing or possessing a receipt did you not understand?  Why didn&#039;t you just march back inside to your cashier with the manager in tow and make the situation go away?  Wouldn&#039;t that have been much easier than treating all of these folks like you are so superior that their rules don&#039;t apply to you?  Is there some reason why saying, &quot;I&#039;m sorry for the misunderstanding.  Why don&#039;t we go speak to the cashier, who will be able to straighten this out,&quot; was off the table?  Perhaps your description sells your actions and demeanor short but you&#039;re the one who comes off looking like a thuggish boor in the above write-up.  You really devoted 1,200 words to this indulgent travelogue of your own self-importance?  I can&#039;t wait to see you treatise on warrant-less wiretaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has been reading too much Consumerist.  Are we really supposed to sympathize with you?  Because of your pridefulness you wasted a lot of time for a lot of people, all of whom were just doing their jobs.  What part of not showing or possessing a receipt did you not understand?  Why didn&#8217;t you just march back inside to your cashier with the manager in tow and make the situation go away?  Wouldn&#8217;t that have been much easier than treating all of these folks like you are so superior that their rules don&#8217;t apply to you?  Is there some reason why saying, &quot;I&#8217;m sorry for the misunderstanding.  Why don&#8217;t we go speak to the cashier, who will be able to straighten this out,&quot; was off the table?  Perhaps your description sells your actions and demeanor short but you&#8217;re the one who comes off looking like a thuggish boor in the above write-up.  You really devoted 1,200 words to this indulgent travelogue of your own self-importance?  I can&#8217;t wait to see you treatise on warrant-less wiretaps.</p>
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		<title>By: bhrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, I&#039;m still trying to figure out why they didn&#039;t just radio their LP camera guy, who&#039;s supposed to be watching the monitors, and do a verification check. Each register is covered by a camera; surely they could&#039;ve just spent the 30 seconds to rewind the tape (digital or otherwise) and check to see if said person did indeed pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, I&#8217;m still trying to figure out why they didn&#8217;t just radio their LP camera guy, who&#8217;s supposed to be watching the monitors, and do a verification check. Each register is covered by a camera; surely they could&#8217;ve just spent the 30 seconds to rewind the tape (digital or otherwise) and check to see if said person did indeed pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It was Wal-Mart at fault so the employee received a big settlement which she was going to need because she was left unable to work for the rest of her life. Wal-Mart lawyers found a loophole which states that if a Wal-Mart employee gets hurt on company property, the company has the right to take all of her money in certain situations and they did.&lt;/i&gt;

That makes no sense, which is because it&#039;s almost 100% incorrect. There was an infamous case not long ago where an employee was injured - not on the job - and her medical care was paid for out of her Wal-mart health insurance. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/03/18/wal-mart-prevails-in-case-to-recover-health-costs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When she subsequently received a large settlement from the insurance company of the person who hit her (not on the job, you&#039;ll note), Wal-mart attempted to recover what they had spent on her care from that settlement.&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m not a big fan of Wal-mart&#039;s practices, but in this particular case they were completely reasonable. If you haven&#039;t seen your cost for health care go up lately then someone else is picking up your bill. A settlement for injury is meant to pay for that injury, and by trying to keep that money for themselves the Shanks were putting their own interests above that of the other people using that insurance - every buck they keep is a buck that insurance can&#039;t pay out for some other sick person.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/04/01/wal-mart-surrenders-on-accident-settlement/?mod=WSJBlog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In the end Wal-mart backed off and let them keep the $417,000&lt;/a&gt;, what they kept from the $750,000 settlement after legal fees. Probably the best move overall, but I wonder what that insurance pool will have to cut corners on to make up for that money. I also wonder... where&#039;s the outrage towards the lawyers for the Shanks who kept 45% of that settlement? That $333,000 is almost as much as Wal-mart was attempting to recoup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was Wal-Mart at fault so the employee received a big settlement which she was going to need because she was left unable to work for the rest of her life. Wal-Mart lawyers found a loophole which states that if a Wal-Mart employee gets hurt on company property, the company has the right to take all of her money in certain situations and they did.</i></p>
<p>That makes no sense, which is because it&#8217;s almost 100% incorrect. There was an infamous case not long ago where an employee was injured &#8211; not on the job &#8211; and her medical care was paid for out of her Wal-mart health insurance. <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/03/18/wal-mart-prevails-in-case-to-recover-health-costs/" rel="nofollow">When she subsequently received a large settlement from the insurance company of the person who hit her (not on the job, you&#8217;ll note), Wal-mart attempted to recover what they had spent on her care from that settlement.</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of Wal-mart&#8217;s practices, but in this particular case they were completely reasonable. If you haven&#8217;t seen your cost for health care go up lately then someone else is picking up your bill. A settlement for injury is meant to pay for that injury, and by trying to keep that money for themselves the Shanks were putting their own interests above that of the other people using that insurance &#8211; every buck they keep is a buck that insurance can&#8217;t pay out for some other sick person.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/04/01/wal-mart-surrenders-on-accident-settlement/?mod=WSJBlog" rel="nofollow">In the end Wal-mart backed off and let them keep the $417,000</a>, what they kept from the $750,000 settlement after legal fees. Probably the best move overall, but I wonder what that insurance pool will have to cut corners on to make up for that money. I also wonder&#8230; where&#8217;s the outrage towards the lawyers for the Shanks who kept 45% of that settlement? That $333,000 is almost as much as Wal-mart was attempting to recoup.</p>
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